CPC to Administer Penalty Point and Monetary Fines

David Ord

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Give CPC faction the ability to administer PP and UC fines against individuals according to TU law.

Officers can press ESC and access an in game CPC faction database, here they can enter details of the offender/s name, location, PP and UC amounts, reason/s and further notes etc, after which a report is generated with the officer name, rank and department stamped (similar to the tag system in FoM) where it becomes open and pending. Supervisors R5+ will access the database to confirm, edit details of charges if necessary and submit, along with the approval supervisor name stamp, to the IG system to allocate the PP and UC fines against the suspect, which then notifies them via IG mail or chat notification. Supervisors can also dismiss and delete any inaccurate generated reports and the charges dropped. Past history charge pages can also be accessed.

PP for Murder can be a crime automated by the IG system. CPC can also add PP for this crime.

Reason for this is provide accountability and an active and thriving police faction from R1 to R7.
 
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Wilbon

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/signed

I agree with glorious leader.
 

PhoenixMask

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OH THIS ONE IS TOTALLY NOT GETTING ABUSED

/SIGNED! !!!!!!!!!
 

Sam Lysander

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Lol, it has to at least be r2 or r3 before you can even do that I would hope. Would be fun though.
 

David Ord

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CPC Officer generated report;

Details

[Offender Name]
Cadonez
+add more

[Location]
Lower Union City

Charge/s

[Type]
Manufacture of controlled substance (F)
Distribution of controlled substance (F)
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[Penalty Points]
15000

[Universal Credits]
15000

Reason/s
Manufacturing and Distributing a controlled substance. Arrest warrant pending

[Submit] [Edit]
**PENDING Time stamp 3/4/2403 16:01 Off. John Harper EPD**


CPC Supervisor Approval

Details

[Offender Name]
Cadonez
+add more

[Location]
Lower Union City

Charge/s

[Type]
Manufacture of controlled substance (F)
Distribution of controlled substance (F)
+add more

[Penalty Points]
15000

[Universal Credits]
15000

Reason/s (Edited)
Manufacturing and Distributing a controlled substance MDMA 300 units. Arrest warrant ISSUED

[Submit] [Edit] [Approve]
**APPROVE Time stamp 3/4/2403 16:10 Supt. CJ Morris EPD**


iG Warning Notification

WARNING: The Civil Protection Commission has issued you 15000 Penalty Points and 15000 Universal Credit fine.
Please surrender yourself to the nearest CPC checkpoint. Glory to the Union!
 
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Rian Felix

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CPC Officer generated report;

Details

[Offender Name]
Cadonez
+add more

[Location]
Lower Union City

Charge/s

[Type]
Manufacture of controlled substance (F)
Distribution of controlled substance (F)
+add more

[Penalty Points]
15000

[Universal Credits]
15000

Reason/s
Manufacturing and Distributing a controlled substance. Arrest warrant pending

[Submit]
**PENDING Time stamp 3/4/2403 16:01 Off. John Harper EPD**


CPC Supervisor Approval

Details

[Offender Name]
Cadonez
+add more

[Location]
Lower Union City

Charge/s

[Type]
Manufacture of controlled substance (F)
Distribution of controlled substance (F)
+add more

[Penalty Points]
15000

[Universal Credits]
15000

Reason/s (Edited)
Manufacturing and Distributing a controlled substance MDMA 300 units. Arrest warrant ISSUED

[Submit] [Edit] [Approve]
**APPROVE Time stamp 3/4/2403 16:10 Supt. CJ Morris EPD**
It would take about 3 days before everyone in CPC ignores filling anything in
 

AtrocityLone

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It would take about 3 days before everyone in CPC ignores filling anything in
Perfect. Rian, I'm going to need you to submit a daily report on this or you'll force me to fine that pp
 
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Banjo

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Highly abuse-able, sound like it would cause a lot of fun drama.
UC, fines should not be immediately detracted from the account, instead the player should be able to choose if he wants to pay his fine or let the debt accumulate interest rate.
 

Wilbon

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Cad is just mad someone snitched on him.
 
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Sam Lysander

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Yeah definitely not have the UC just come out at a whim that would be broken. Maybe upon arrest they can pay it to have their sentence reduced or just rot in jail longer based on the warrant amount. With set minimums and maximums in place to keep it... 'more fair'
 

David Ord

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OH THIS ONE IS TOTALLY NOT GETTING ABUSED

/SIGNED! !!!!!!!!!
It would take about 3 days before everyone in CPC ignores filling anything in
Id like to combine both statements with the following reply

Lets look back to the days of FOM where PP was issued for the following reasons;

1. Murder (id card submitted into security terminal)
2. Positive scan for Illegal drugs from the LED scanner
3. Positive scan for Ilegal weapons from the LED scanner
4. Hacking security barriers (by memory)

If none of the above senarios happened there was no PP being issued and LED became a reactive police faction with the criminals holding all the initiative. The IG system wouldnt allocate PP fines and lets be honest, criminal activity is always happening in the world around us.

The introducion of this new concept of PP and UC fines administered by CPC will provide a vastly proactive police force with the powers to enforce laws including;

Felonies

Murder
Aggravated assault or battery
Manslaughter
Larceny
Grand larceny
Arson
Burglary
Tax evasion
Fraud
Computer crime fraud and abuse
Manufacture of controlled substance
Sale of controlled substance
Distribution of controlled substance
Vandalism
Treason
Kidnapping
False Imprisonment
Hate Crimes
Criminal Threats
Obstruction of justice
Perjury
Threatening an official
Extortion
Blackmail

Misdemeanors

Petty theft
Grand theft
Disturbing the Peace
Shoplifting
Receiving Stolen Property
Public intoxication
Disorderly conduct
Trespassing
Vandalism
Discharging a firearm within city limits
Possession of controlled substance
Conspiracy
Resisting arrest
Indecent exposure
Perjury
Criminal recklessness
Making a false report
Unlawful possession of a weapon
Probation violations

These will provide excellent avenues for all sorts of combat operations and roleplay situations, provide the faction "drama" and the CPC will go from being a restricted and reactive police faction, to one that is a proactive organization, which rewards officer intuition and investigation. The Training Divison will have new and exciting avenues for instruction, not just the basic speal which we have all done before. Who doesnt want to teach people new advanced content and abilities.

For the UC fines, im loving Banjo and Sams ideas and would tie everything up nicely.

I will add I am all for a colony where CPC has no powers of juristriction, this world has become a haven for all sorts of illegal activity with a large monopoly up for grabs. A perfect home for bounty hunters to hone their skill sets, shady characters to conduct business, and for criminal elements to trive.

Will a CPC Officer be righteous and upstanding? or will the allure of the dark criminal underground be too much of temptation to ignore? You decide
 

Wilbon

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I mean being realistic, the only way a system like this would really work is if it was built in tandem with a justice system that is operated by a third party group of players without ties to CPC and led by a staff member. I have been part of other game communities that have adopted such a kind of system and it is plausible, but a challenge.

Because no matter how hard you try, you won't ever be able to guarantee a truly bipartisan CPC leadership. You cannot remove the conflict of interest that exists and while that may make sense for the theme and lore of the game, at the end of the day it is a game and some players who get stiffed by overly corrupt cops for no reason will just be turned off from the game. Not ideal for such a niche game with a community already drawn largely by nostalgia.

With a system like this where an arrest = instant prison time and there are no trials, that means that CPC would have to apply for warrants with evidence of guilt before making the arrest and have it approved before the PP fine would apply. Additionally, these fines would have to be significant because I guarantee you no CPC officer will want to do paperwork after a day of playing to submit warrants for 'unlawful possession of a weapon' and 'resisting arrest' only to know that person is gonna wind up with 2k PP and be out in 10 minutes.

Furthermore, this makes sense if the game actually does wind up with tools for CPC to investigate crime and tools for non-CPC to disable automated PP givers (crime cards or crime camera deployables or what have you). Otherwise, not really a point filing a warrant for a murder if the killer is probably already gonna get the PP from the card as it is. Makes more sense if it's a murder committed in say the UC slums where a syndie gang has control over and keeps destroying any PP scanners so they can freely commit crime with relative safety - leading CPC to investigate crimes manually if they want to charge anyone.

Bottom line is; for something like a proactive police department that can bring crimes against the public to work,, there has to be more than a hacky PP fine system that allows them to charge whoever, whenever, however put in place. And that's really gonna come down to Bio's vision for crime and it's depth in the end.
 
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Banjo

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UC fines, could go to the state and maybe cops have a daily quota of fines to get a payout, or just earn FC for each successful fine, where the FC system is similar to fom. Much the same for PP, where instead the materials produced by the prisoner would go to or sold for the state to profit.
Forms should also be quick to fill out so they don't become to much of a chore, meaning that most of the form is auto filled out with most of the text, and screenshots should be easily attachable. (This is probably to development intensive as a good workflow and UX is actually very hard to achieve)
This doesn't root out abuse or laziness from the higher ranks who needs to approve the fine.
I'm not sure how to sentivies the highranks other than admin overview.
A tool to fight corruption could be a way to make a complaint that would take the case to a higher court, ruled by moderators or a player jury of either randomly picked or community/admin picked. (I'm not sure if archeage did this also)
This is of course still flawed and could be ignored and left behind by the player base.

I think there are likely more flaws to this idea though which needs to be thought of.
 
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Rian Felix

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I just think it'll be difficult to have a system like this not be constantly abused, and as said before not many people really want to play a game where they get imprisoned/longer prison times for little to no reason simply because cops be corrupt
 

Shakespears

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I'll support this only if we have fines for violating the verbal morality statute
 

David Ord

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I mean being realistic, the only way a system like this would really work is if it was built in tandem with a justice system that is operated by a third party group of players without ties to CPC and led by a staff member. I have been part of other game communities that have adopted such a kind of system and it is plausible, but a challenge.

Because no matter how hard you try, you won't ever be able to guarantee a truly bipartisan CPC leadership. You cannot remove the conflict of interest that exists and while that may make sense for the theme and lore of the game, at the end of the day it is a game and some players who get stiffed by overly corrupt cops for no reason will just be turned off from the game. Not ideal for such a niche game with a community already drawn largely by nostalgia.

With a system like this where an arrest = instant prison time and there are no trials, that means that CPC would have to apply for warrants with evidence of guilt before making the arrest and have it approved before the PP fine would apply. Additionally, these fines would have to be significant because I guarantee you no CPC officer will want to do paperwork after a day of playing to submit warrants for 'unlawful possession of a weapon' and 'resisting arrest' only to know that person is gonna wind up with 2k PP and be out in 10 minutes.

Furthermore, this makes sense if the game actually does wind up with tools for CPC to investigate crime and tools for non-CPC to disable automated PP givers (crime cards or crime camera deployables or what have you). Otherwise, not really a point filing a warrant for a murder if the killer is probably already gonna get the PP from the card as it is. Makes more sense if it's a murder committed in say the UC slums where a syndie gang has control over and keeps destroying any PP scanners so they can freely commit crime with relative safety - leading CPC to investigate crimes manually if they want to charge anyone.

Bottom line is; for something like a proactive police department that can bring crimes against the public to work,, there has to be more than a hacky PP fine system that allows them to charge whoever, whenever, however put in place. And that's really gonna come down to Bio's vision for crime and it's depth in the end.
Having a third party justice system running alongside involves 2 agencies and for this to work fluidly, 1 agency, the CPC must take full responsibility, 1 law book, 1 faction held accountable and responsible to administer fines.

As R5s+ have permission to review and approve the fines, overall reponsibility and Integrity lies with the CPC High Command, their position demands it, and as normal, game masters monitoring. The challenge for CPC is for the police charges to stick.

If, in fact police corruption is present, it would be a very low percentage. You just need to follow the charge pages with the information stamps that hold the key information. Corrupt police provide content but continue to provide false evidence, the Internal Affairs, Investigation Division and informers will be present and activley monitoring. Officers providing false information will quickly lead to dismissal, fines, imprisonment and have a permant mark against them in the community.

Something not discussed is a prison terminal R5+ have permissions to access and release inmates, and reset PP levels to 0. Prison barriers can also be opened by High Command to release inmates.

People may wish to;

RP a court system if all parties are willing to be involved

Log in and be involved in police operations other than what the are use to in FoM including the standard faction battles

Want to patrol the beat and make a proactive, positive difference in the community.
 

Wilbon

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That's enough out of you, Tod.