CPC to Administer Penalty Point and Monetary Fines

HBnY

Citizen

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Alpha Tester
Jun 3, 2017
56
Guns of the Conclave
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Service Points: 0
I think a better solution would be to have a terminal solely for Reporting Crimes on Earth and all the TU controlled teritories filled with scroll down options like
Type of Crime : *Pops out a scroll down list with things like Murder, Theft/Hacking, Stun Ganking etc*
Suspect : *Pretty Obvious, you just type the name of the suspect, maybe have some kind of auto complete feature and not be case sensitive*
Estimated Time of Event : *can provide a drop down list filled with date and time selection like when you set your PC's time*
Location : *A scroll down list of planets then specific places like Underground, Union City or Ruins, Aurora*
Additional Information : *Pretty obvious*

Then the R5+ can select which ones they want to follow through and hands them out as assignments to lower CPC members to follow through. After assigning the report to an officer, they can contact the reportee then proceed to do the investigating.
Now how willl CPC be able to obtain the evidence? My suggestion is having a scanner that can look up the log (Location and Activity) of a player within 10 minutes of a specific time in the past 5 days (Adjustable). So either CPC can ask the suspect nicely for a scan or they have to arrest the suspect then do the scan. If indeed the suspect is guilty than he is arrested and if not the report will be closed. Also reports should have a max time before they dissappear if not accepted so as to not blow the server out of memory from too many datas. It can be simplified further if anyone can provide better ideas. And this suggestion doesnt involve the need for admins and CMs to participate.
 

David Ord

Dilettante

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Alpha Tester
May 8, 2018
90
Civil Protection Commission
Rank: Superintendent (R5)
Service Points: 0
I think a better solution would be to have a terminal solely for Reporting Crimes on Earth and all the TU controlled teritories filled with scroll down options like
Type of Crime : *Pops out a scroll down list with things like Murder, Theft/Hacking, Stun Ganking etc*
Suspect : *Pretty Obvious, you just type the name of the suspect, maybe have some kind of auto complete feature and not be case sensitive*
Estimated Time of Event : *can provide a drop down list filled with date and time selection like when you set your PC's time*
Location : *A scroll down list of planets then specific places like Underground, Union City or Ruins, Aurora*
Additional Information : *Pretty obvious*

Then the R5+ can select which ones they want to follow through and hands them out as assignments to lower CPC members to follow through. After assigning the report to an officer, they can contact the reportee then proceed to do the investigating.
Now how willl CPC be able to obtain the evidence? My suggestion is having a scanner that can look up the log (Location and Activity) of a player within 10 minutes of a specific time in the past 5 days (Adjustable). So either CPC can ask the suspect nicely for a scan or they have to arrest the suspect then do the scan. If indeed the suspect is guilty than he is arrested and if not the report will be closed. Also reports should have a max time before they dissappear if not accepted so as to not blow the server out of memory from too many datas. It can be simplified further if anyone can provide better ideas. And this suggestion doesnt involve the need for admins and CMs to participate.
A valid way to look at the mechanics.

How would the PP be allocated to the suspect before an arrest is made? The penalty should fit the crime.

I believe you are looking at a task/mission style system inside the CPC faction? Civilians provide the information at the crime terminal, R5+ look over the information and create and set mission objective, rewards to an internal division to follow though on the investigation which leads to an arrest. correct?
 

David Ord

Dilettante

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Alpha Tester
May 8, 2018
90
Civil Protection Commission
Rank: Superintendent (R5)
Service Points: 0
In legacy, LED became a punching bag for majority of the player base as their was no real consequence to the attacker/s. The effect on a new player wore off quickly as they spend hours producing/mining, only for someone who just got out of jail to kill them and take their items. LED could arrest them again, but the PP was next to nothing and they would get out and do it again, and the items were unable to be recovered for the victim.

In FOTD I ran a Police faction Colonial Police Department which held DMC, but this time we were able to confiscate assets eg territories and it became a crime deterent as they lost UC.

@BioXide @Chip Lawrie @Necidious @Shakespears Allow CPC the ability to administer PP and UC fines in accordance to TU government law. The CPC High Command and its officers will provide the due diligence and integrity necessary with these new abilities.
 
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Jade Star

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Jun 28, 2017
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Avalon Enterprises
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My dude we know you, you will abuse that kind of system. Not to mention every faction has to deal with random gankers why does the CPC only get the ability to fine anyone outside of their faction? And not to mention x2 you want players to go outside of the game on some shady website when reporting a CPC officer and write up some report while you get to fine anyone on the spot? How is that fair?

CPC will most likely be one of the most popular factions in the game, their has to be some downside and your downside is the GTA effect as Arutha coined it. People have to take into consideration that every faction has their positives and negatives when joining.
 
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Cadonez

Activist

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Alpha Tester
Jul 29, 2017
324
Brumpapa
The Syndicate
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In legacy, LED became a punching bag for majority of the player base as their was no real consequence to the attacker/s. The effect on a new player wore off quickly as they spend hours producing/mining, only for someone who just got out of jail to kill them and take their items. LED could arrest them again, but the PP was next to nothing and they would get out and do it again, and the items were unable to be recovered for the victim.

In FOTD I ran a Police faction Colonial Police Department which held DMC, but this time we were able to confiscate assets eg territories and it became a crime deterent as they lost UC.

@BioXide @Chip Lawrie @Necidious Allow CPC the ability to administer PP and UC fines in accordance to TU government law. The CPC High Command and its officers will provide the due diligence and integrity necessary with these new abilities.
You just got bodied by Jade Star of all people man. Give it up.
 

David Ord

Dilettante

Silver Donator
Alpha Tester
May 8, 2018
90
Civil Protection Commission
Rank: Superintendent (R5)
Service Points: 0
My dude we know you, you will abuse that kind of system. Not to mention every faction has to deal with random gankers why does the CPC only get the ability to fine anyone outside of their faction? And not to mention x2 you want players to go outside of the game on some shady website when reporting a CPC officer and write up some report while you get to fine anyone on the spot? How is that fair?

CPC will most likely be one of the most popular factions in the game, their has to be some downside and your downside is the GTA effect as Arutha coined it. People have to take into consideration that every faction has their positives and negatives when joining.

Q1. My dude we know you, you will abuse that kind of system

Answer: As mentioned before there are safeguards their to stop abuse being made as information is recorded in the system and Internal Affairs, Investigations are monitoring these reports. You are not going to see a HC log in and start approving everything they see on the list, there will need to be discussions held between division members involved from R1-R6 first. (ive left out the R7 as High Command evaluation and discipline is their responsibility, Internally every High Command member is in a position of trust by the Commissioner and Government) for charges to be approved there is need of evidence eg screenshots, video by an individual( Body Worn Cameras using TP software eg Overwolf, which can also be used for CPC training methods) statements etc. We have the technology at our fingertips to store and share. Can you explain a way that this mechanic can be abused, including ways around the safeguards?

Q2. Every faction has to deal with random gankers

Answer: It is true, but if the mechanic is implemented then ganker needs to weigh up if the new risk/reward. the old PP system works in favor of the ganker as the reward is greater than the risk taken. No doubt a KoS warrant will be issued against the ganker by the faction eg Avalon so its a loose, loose situation for the ganker.

Q3. why does the CPC only get the ability to fine anyone outside of their faction?

Answer: Because it ties in with law enforcement and with the mechanics of administering the prison. Its an important question to ask how long will a person stay inside prison with 1000 PP, once answered the finer mechanics can be adjusted. I've only made some examples. There could be 1 or 2 colonies which escape CPC juristriction.


Q4. you want players to go outside of the game on some shady website when reporting a CPC officer and write up some report while you get to fine anyone on the spot? How is that fair?

Answer: The website you refer to which i created, was an example of a online reporting system and how the outlay would look, its functions and the ability for CPC with the correct authorization level to access and view information submitted, and it was all done anonymously. Fines on the spot will still need the report to be generated by any officer and approved by CPC R5+ (it could be the same person, but they are still an law enforcement official)

Q5. CPC will most likely be one of the most popular factions in the game, their has to be some downside and your downside is the GTA effect as Arutha coined it. People have to take into consideration that every faction has their positives and negatives when joining.

It will also the most vetted faction, by the whole community and a major reason for this is the prison is hard coded to the faction. The downside is the larger the faction, the more operational costs are involved. The GTA effect will still be evident regardless, does crime still happen in your neighborhood? Overall the PP and UC mechanic will provide the tools needed for law enforcement to function in its entirely, that legacy failed in.
 
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David Ord

Dilettante

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May 8, 2018
90
Civil Protection Commission
Rank: Superintendent (R5)
Service Points: 0
You just got bodied by Jade Star of all people man. Give it up.
I welcome all discussions and view points from everyone. Jade has great discussion points to add